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if china bounces back quicker than we anticipate, or if europe flattens out. we're optimistic next year. we want to make sure our clients are in this market. >> scott, good to have you on the program. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> you know, he's not alone. lots and lots of analysts are coming out with their forecasts for next year. pretty bullish. >> even morgan stanley, right? >> yeah, for once. all right. heading toward the close here with about 12 minutes left. the dow hanging on to a gain of about 30 points. >> the situation with anti-virus software pioneer john mcafee is going from strange to surreal. he's now in custody. now reportedly has had two heart attacks. we're going to tell you the latest on this bizarre and evolving story. >>> also, the ceo of accounting giant recently met with president obama. he say miss other ceos in that meeting agreed the tax rates for the wealthy have to rise as part of any fiscal cliff deal. he joins us exclusively later on "the closing bell." stay tuned. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in
if china bounces back quicker than we anticipate, or if europe flattens out. we're optimistic next year. we want to make sure our clients are in this market. >> scott, good to have you on the program. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> you know, he's not alone. lots and lots of analysts are coming out with their forecasts for next year. pretty bullish. >> even morgan stanley, right? >> yeah, for once. all right. heading toward the close here with about 12 minutes left....
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and will start taking share in china, all the big carriers will be selling it and an omg product might be on the way. the market capitalization will still be outsized versus the rest of the market and that i don't like. there's nothing you can do about the rest of the market, right? as we settled three times today, if you want to measure the selloff here, use the 12 days of christmas approach. three nikes, four price lines, eight dells, nine coaches, ten may cy's, 11 ralph laurens, 12 mattells and a partridge and pear tree and it's still a $1 billion company. it goes down $100 billion in cash and plus it's growing. the price to earnings multiple, the apples to apples method so to speak will be the lowest in the whole s&p 500. that can and is happening. valuation will get so cheap that apple will be too compelling for informed people not to own. the company's not going to sell through all of the cash and respective cash and this company is one gigantic atm machine. and guess what? the chart with the nauseating terminology will be meaningless at that point. the technology, not the techni
and will start taking share in china, all the big carriers will be selling it and an omg product might be on the way. the market capitalization will still be outsized versus the rest of the market and that i don't like. there's nothing you can do about the rest of the market, right? as we settled three times today, if you want to measure the selloff here, use the 12 days of christmas approach. three nikes, four price lines, eight dells, nine coaches, ten may cy's, 11 ralph laurens, 12 mattells...
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from china. somebody could have hacked in from another country and started that attack from a chinese server inbound to the u.s. but the fbi's very, very, you know, keen on this stuff, so i'm sure the end source was china. megyn: they say that he not only is he, obviously, the former chairman of the joint chiefs, but that right now he is on a state department board that's been appointed to review what happened in benghazi, libya, on 9/11 of this year, he is on an advisory board at the state department and one at the cia. so clearly, this man has got important matters on his desk. how exposed could we be if the chinese have access to all of his writings? >> very exposed. and this is nothing new. if you take a look at a typical burglar and he wants to break into a yard and has this hardened lock on a fence that he cannot cut through, what is he going to do? he's going to cut the chain. we're not going to go after a facility that spends billions of our tax dollars on securing their networks. we're g
from china. somebody could have hacked in from another country and started that attack from a chinese server inbound to the u.s. but the fbi's very, very, you know, keen on this stuff, so i'm sure the end source was china. megyn: they say that he not only is he, obviously, the former chairman of the joint chiefs, but that right now he is on a state department board that's been appointed to review what happened in benghazi, libya, on 9/11 of this year, he is on an advisory board at the state...
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china confirms talks with apple. but the problem here, he says tech is not an issue, it's mainly about the business model and benefit sharing issues. that could be a problem. >> he is also playing the part of what many analysts are doing, which is let me explain why it's going down, in the same way that the death cross, i always love the death cross, this is a technical term. i can think of a million reasons to sell it. the only reason i want to own it is because it makes the best products in the world and it's inexpensive. >> that's a lot of people looking at the chart. >> look again, the people who own apple, they were the ones who owned it because it was going up. it reminds me very much in 1999, what do i do with my nortel, it's at 110. in the meantime, roth, the ceo gives a session, an off the record session, or a session where he bashed 15 people. and said you know what? we're going to miss the numbers really big. apple is not nortel, but it trades like those that do and people get into the rut of saying i got
china confirms talks with apple. but the problem here, he says tech is not an issue, it's mainly about the business model and benefit sharing issues. that could be a problem. >> he is also playing the part of what many analysts are doing, which is let me explain why it's going down, in the same way that the death cross, i always love the death cross, this is a technical term. i can think of a million reasons to sell it. the only reason i want to own it is because it makes the best...
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of big caterpillar equipment and talk about what's going on in china and i hope we get back to that. you're right that's all we're talking about instead of talking about caterpillar and what you do well as a great company. >> thank you. again, every time i come to the floor it's the hub of our greatness in this country of business. it's why we're here. it's really fun and exciting and let answer get into '13 and get into real things. i'm with you, joe. >> i know, but this deal has to play in peoria. >> it will play. >> compared to what you got in illinois now anything looks good. thanks. >> okay. >>> the executive chef tpz at jpmorgan the bank naming two chief officers to oversee things like anti-moneying. kayla tausche joins us. >> the person to watch everyone watching is looking at jez staly, he was chairman as of july largely viewed as a swank song role that rivals have taken note of. there were discussions over the ceo at legg mason, the baltimore asset manager. the talks fell apart and staly was the top of the short list for the board and recruiters after being serious talks for
of big caterpillar equipment and talk about what's going on in china and i hope we get back to that. you're right that's all we're talking about instead of talking about caterpillar and what you do well as a great company. >> thank you. again, every time i come to the floor it's the hub of our greatness in this country of business. it's why we're here. it's really fun and exciting and let answer get into '13 and get into real things. i'm with you, joe. >> i know, but this deal has...
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and you know, people in china are asking about the fiscal cliff. everywhere we went. what's going on with you people? so the world is watching. and it's not just us. and i don't care, maybe you think the chinese, well, too bad for them, but it's not just the chinese, it's europe, and they're blaming the fact that their economies aren't going based on the fact that we're in this stalemate. you know, it's huge. >> harold, i mean, it all comes down to leadership. you know, when you talk to business owners, they want leadership shown. i'm glad the president is talking to business leaders now. >> and a debater on the phone. >> not only the administration but also on the other side of pennsylvania avenue with the republicans and harry reid in the senate. you're just not seeing it. >> you don't see enough of it. curiously, the markets -- investors are actually increasing their exposure which is kind of contrarian to your point. i do believe to julia's point, you'll see a receding or retreat in that attitude over the next several days and few week ifs we can't get ourselves c
and you know, people in china are asking about the fiscal cliff. everywhere we went. what's going on with you people? so the world is watching. and it's not just us. and i don't care, maybe you think the chinese, well, too bad for them, but it's not just the chinese, it's europe, and they're blaming the fact that their economies aren't going based on the fact that we're in this stalemate. you know, it's huge. >> harold, i mean, it all comes down to leadership. you know, when you talk to...